SXP fore sight thread


Copper BB
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:30 am
3mm? Can you be more specific? Do you know if any other make/model of shotguns share the same thread pitch?

More specifically, is it 3-56 TPI? If so, http://www.brownells.com should have plenty of beads that should fit.

There is also this that might fit: http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/7-TG948BR

This is interesting news! Thanks for the update.

.22LR
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:47 pm
No sorry, Berretta offered 3mm or 2.6mm.

I guess you can't get other than the 3-56 thread you mention.

We use a mix of imperial measurement and metric, unlike you that have stuck (rightly) to our standard imp
3-56 tpi, that is threads per inch, is difficult to convert. Go 3-whatever unless you have another 3mm option.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:58 pm
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/7-TG948EG

This maybe?

.22LR
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:54 pm
Similar, the 1 i got was 10mm long. Thread looks the same though.


But for the 1st time ever today I knocked the shotgun over, never ever done similar before.

It was in the kitchen, in a fleece lined sleeve ready to take out.

Knocked it when I opened the door and over it went. Never thought it would chave caused any damage in the sleeve, but...

Drove a couple of miles to the farmland I shoot over and got the gun out and the fibre bead was completely squashed, the full weight must have fallen against the brass zip and onto the stone floor.

2nd/new bead ordered this afternoon.

PS I thing if I had gone with the 1 in your link there wouldn't have been any damage, I'll try and send a pic of the 1 I went for.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/370605684798? ... 1438.l2649

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/370605684798?var=640026157722&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:25 pm
Man, it's nice to have some fellow SXP owners to speak with. Seems like we are few and far between.

Ted, let me ask you, what's the best way to get the bead out of the barrel without damaging it? Also, did you only do this to the 28" barrel? I have both the 28" (or 26" maybe) and the 18" defender barrel. I'd like to change the sights on both.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:01 am
Hi, yeah good to talk, even better for me to be talking across the pond, sure wish we had the freedom you guys have.

Just to give you an idea, the regs on rifles are quite tough, 1stlky you have to prove a need or reason for owning. Basically you have to be a range club member and have written verification that you shoot and attend regularly.
Or as in my case you need written permission from a farmer/land owner and then the police firearms dept inspect the land for the suitability of the calibre you are asking for.

To explain every gun, moderator you apply for is granted separately and listed on your "ticket", so is the max amount of ammo you can buy and hold.
Guns have to be in a specified cabinet, bolts secured separately and the same for ammo.
Semi auto's are a no no, with the exception of .22 rimfire. Pistol are just about out, many now keep theirs in france or italy and travel to shoot.

Now, shotguns are dealt with completely separately on a different ticket.
Everyone has a right to own a shotgun unless the police can find evidence that they are not suitable owners, ie, have a criminal record, mental disorder.
Any number of shotguns can be owned provided they are housed as per rifles.
There is no limit to the amount of shotgun shells that can be bought, and suprisingely no control on how or where they are kept.

Sorry for rambling but I think it's worth sharing our situation with you guys.

OK, the SXP, they had 2 as new examples when I went to my local gun store, one in 28" and a 26" gun.

I'm carrying a few injuries so din't want a heavyweight hence a single barrel gun. I am also to lazy to clean out a semi auto properly after every time I shoot.

The 28" was good, but I felt the 26 was distinctly quicker to swing and given it's shorter length more suitable for hide shooting and walking through the rough stuff.
I also wanted a gun that I wasn't afraid of scratching or devaluing, the SXP is cheap as chips by our price standards.

I was out yesterday and have to admit it's great for the 1st shot, but never having shot a pump I still keep trying for the 2nd shot without pumping, but thats just me.

The thing about it being "a pump that thinks it's a semi" escapes me, the slide stays firmly at the front the way I shoot.

Lack of recoil is great.

I did add a rubber stock extension as the length of pull is short and I have long arms, but I couldn't keep it firmly in place, it kept creeping to 1 side or other, but when I fitted a camo neoprene shell holder over the stock and extension, every thing firmed up and it now fits me perfectly.

I also got hold of some extended pointed chokes from your side of the water, effectively gives the option of a 27 3/4" barrel.

The bead removes very easily, I simply carefully used a pair of locking pliers, (mole grips in our terms), and wound the bead out. I'm pretty sure it has loctite or similar on the threads to stop it vibrating out so I treated the new bead the same way, it really does look like an original fitment.

Anyway, hope that helps and goes to explain why I posted on a USA site in the 1st place, pumps are few and far between over here, possibly one reason being that they are frowned upon at clay pigeon shoots as being difficult to be seen safe. ;) ;)

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:44 pm
Man, you guys have it rough over there when it comes to guns. I spent a year at RAF Mildenhall near Bury ST Edmunds. I love England and the people and the places. I had an amazing year in England. I did know though, that you guys have very strict gun laws. I'll never understand why a government would want a populace that cannot protect themselves, unless the government are the ones planning on being the opposition.

Anyway, thanks for the info. That should help me a lot in finding the next front sight for my new toy. :)

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:50 pm
tornado ted wrote:I was out yesterday and have to admit it's great for the 1st shot, but never having shot a pump I still keep trying for the 2nd shot without pumping, but thats just me.

The thing about it being "a pump that thinks it's a semi" escapes me, the slide stays firmly at the front the way I shoot.



I noticed the same thing.

Next time you go shoot though, try allowing your grip on the forearm to relax a little when you pull the trigger. You'll notice the slide does come back, and then tighten your grip and pump it back forward. I think it's going to take some practice for me to get really fast with it. But the slide does come back if you relax the grip when firing.

The thing is, it's not really all that necessary under most shooting circumstances. But technically the gun is capable of Winchesters claims.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:01 pm
Are you using light target loads in your SXP? The one I've shot seems like it works better with the heavier 1-1/8 oz. target loads, the cheap 7/8 oz. loads are lighter to shoot but they don't have the recoil necessary to open the bolt.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:12 am
I've only tried 2 different shot shells yet, both are 29g, just over 1 oz.

But I still don't quite get how the bolt can open if I'm holding the slide forwards, and the gun is kicking against my shoulder??

It's no issue to me, just don't see what they are getting at ;) ;)

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:02 pm
tornado ted wrote:I've only tried 2 different shot shells yet, both are 29g, just over 1 oz.

But I still don't quite get how the bolt can open if I'm holding the slide forwards, and the gun is kicking against my shoulder??

It's no issue to me, just don't see what they are getting at ;) ;)


Well, that's the thing. Don't hold the slide forward. You have to relax your grip.....which is somewhat inconvenient.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:23 am
New front bead arrived today so we'll try again, I am going to have to put the O/U away for awhile so I can get used to it, still holding for the 2nd shot instead of pumping. :oops: :oops:

The fact that you have to lesson your grip defeats whatever they claim for the gun in respect of being a recoil ejecting gun, but that means jack shite, I bought it as a pump pure and simple :D :D , and it does it's job dam well.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:08 am
Hey guys, good morning from sunshine Athens.

You are looking for this?

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To find the fore sight you want, just go to:
http://www.truglo.com
Optics/firearm
Wing shooting
Second page (the first two items)

Unfortunately I can't copy and paste the URL from truglo.

My SXP came with this already installed. :mrgreen:

Enjoy some other views:

Image

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Have good time,
Yianni

.22LR
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:13 am
Hi Yianni,

Quite a cosmopolitan thread we have going here, that's great.

Yes, there are many options, magnetic, stick on and as I was looking for, a direct screw in replacement, the type I linked to as did another guy and of course the 1's in the truglo cat.

The essential point being that if anyone looks at the fitment list that you point to, it is the 3mm thread that is reguired, not 3.56 or 2,6mm etc.

Hope that's clear for all.

You got 5 mins to tell about gun control in your neck of the woods?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:33 pm
Hi Ted,
My SXP is the defender model with 20" barrel that make us the minimum legal leghth of a shotgun in Greece (1meter). I bought it for HD but it become "my gun" in IPSC challenges here. I mostly compete in handguns but I'm having fun with shotgun competitions also.

The reason that I'm writing these is, that if you don't have any specific reason to have your bead exactly 3mm, you should reconsider and aim lower or higher with a stable bead (like what I'm proposing). It is stable and solid after 2-3 thousand shells.

Like in every shotgun without rear sights you should not expect the precision of a riffle, with a little exercise you can bullseye slugs in 50 meters with this fiber optic.

Finally if you don't find any solid bead don't turn back to the metal one. Put any optic fiber and buy a laser shell to put into chamber. There you can examine where is the laser and where is your aim in 5, 10, 25, 50 or 100 meters...

PS: please define, "neck of woods" :lol: I'm not into that argo... :oops:

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:48 am
Neck of the woods is a shooting term, used in the UK and I guess in the USA.
It simply means my area, or where I live, or even where I shoot :D :D

I have resolved my own question Yianni, being an engineer I wanted a foresight that fitted the same way as Winchester intended it, ie, it screws in ;)

24" is the minimum length of barrel here in the uk, there is also a minimum overall length of gun but I forget that.

We are not allowed to use slugs.

Good luck with the sport.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:44 pm
The thread for the SXP is not 3-56 is M3-.5mm

I made that mistake when the original bead on my SXP got lost somehow and I had to buy a replacement. The bead thread chart on Brownell's showed that Winchester uses 3-56 TPI threads. But i guess that chart is old and only refers to the US made Winchesters like the 1300s.
The current Winchester Arms and the SXP is a whole different beast altogether. It's made in Turkey so it would make sense they use a metric standard thread.
Anyway i ordered a new bead witha 3-56 thread thinking it was right. When I got it, turns out, NOPE. The 3-56 is too small for the SXP. Couldn't find the right metric bead so I just drilled and re-tapped it for a 6-48 bead.

As for the inertia pump thing. The key is don't try to hold the slide forward. You really don't need to. When the gun is ready to fire. Hammer cocked, round in the chamber, the bolt is locked anyway. It ain't gonna open on you so you don't need to hold it closed. I find that uncomfortable to hald a gun like that anyway. Either relax your hand or even give a slight rearward pull on the foreend before firing. Not much, just a slight pressure, like you're trying to pull the gun into your shoulder. once the gun fires, just let your hand go along with the pump. it'll open right up on you without you even trying. Then all you do is just flick it closed for the next shot.

This is the first and only shotgun I ever had and now, I really can't imagine shooting a pump-action where you actually have to consciously cycle the action every time.

Also you guys in Europe should be glad you atleast get 1 thing we can't here in the U.S. A Proper Defender model with 7+1 capacity.
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