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My Model 21 Trap
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 Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:02 pm
I don't think they used any coloring but I could be wrong. You could contact Wright's and ask for Molly or maybe Sam Hoggson knows.
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:51 pm
I don't think they used any coloring. The oil brings out the color. You may want to contact Wright's and ask them.
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:02 pm
Now that you mention it, high quality Walnut should need no stain. I'm going to start by stripping it, cleaning it up, and seeing just what I have to work with.
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:40 am
If wood was a little to light they sometimes used burnt umber when applying the oil.
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:15 pm
Madis describes the use of a light walnut stain (burnt umber?) "as needed". I gather the "as needed" part was the trick. This issue gets discussed from time to time over on DGS. From what I've read it sounds like it's easy to overdo stain. Then, we've all seen some variation in tint in Winchester rifles and shotguns.
http://www.csmcspecials.com/Pre_64_Winc ... /f0090.htm CSMC sells this stuff. I've never used it, but remember reading posts suggesting that a little goes a long way. My .02 about wood tint is that folks think of it as something static. Photo-oxidation darkens about any wood. We see well-used leverguns with wood that seems almost black. High end collectibles that have been kept in safes their entire lives will sometimes appear so light in tint as to cause buyer anxiety. (Maybe we should take our nice ones for walks outside every now and then??  )Sam |
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:32 pm
Sounds like a good idea!
The burnt umber that they used in the factory was a powder. I still have a mason jar full of it in the shop that John Durkin gave me. Ironically we engravers also used it for laying out templates of engraving patterns. |
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:53 pm
I've used Burnt Umber back in the day when I refinished antique furniture. I hadn't even heard that term in ages. I imagine that they just mixed small ammounts with the oil or varnish.
But absolutely, examining Winchester finishes through photographs can be tricky. The thing I always look for first, is that red "tint". Now I know where it comes from. |
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:15 pm
I don't know about how much of a red tint it gives. I heard stories from some of the old timers that way back they would make up a stain from the black walnut hulls. If you've ever messed around with black walnuts you will know what I'm talking about. Those hulls when crushed will turn your hands a red orange rather quickly. Hard to wash off too.
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:00 am
I love wood furniture on guns
"Im just a Peckerwood who lives in the hills with too many guns"
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:28 pm
In my line of thinking, wood and steel, that's what quality guns are made of. I'm sure the synthetic stocks are useful, convenient, and can take a beating. But take a look at a high condition, original pre-64 Winchester. The fit of wood to metal and the general appearance of the combination is truly a thing of beauty, a work of art, if you will. That was the "heart and soul" of gunmaking. It'll give you chills. The Model 21 took this to unprecedented levels. |
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:40 am
I agee.I love these things 
"Im just a Peckerwood who lives in the hills with too many guns"
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:46 pm
I would like to post a photo of my 21 but i am challenged in this area if someone could help it would be appreciated i could email a photo or two to a member thanks
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:04 am
There nothing like wood furniture on a firearm
"Im just a Peckerwood who lives in the hills with too many guns"
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:00 pm
I uploaded my photos to Photobucket.com (it's free). Then I copied the photo link from Photobucket, clicked on the Img button on the reply screen here, and pasted the link between the two "Img's". I look forward to seeing your gun. Eric |
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